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martialis · Jul 10, 2007, 11:37 PM // 23:37

[skill]Signet of Humility[/skill]

There is no random arena forum for a reason.
There is no solo build forum for a reason.

Randomway Ftw · Jul 10, 2007, 11:39 PM // 23:39

omg this is hilarious, someone please bring in all the other pve builds, and farm noobs.

I Brother Bloood I · Jul 11, 2007, 12:20 AM // 00:20

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Originally Posted by Baba_Beast

lol?

shadow form is an enchantment and you can remove an enchantment.
shadow form take 1 second to cast so you can interrupt.
arcane echo take 2 seconds to cast so you can interrupt easily

if it takes you 45 minutes, im sorry to said it but you don't deserve to win that match.

you said that you kill all the others hero and the sisn did no damage? even easier. when the sin is left alone, body block him and spam interrupt and enchantment removal. I would have win this in 2 minutes lol.

Ok so since ur stupid ill explain it to u. I have no idea if this happens but it wouldnt surprise me if this is exactly how it is. They cast shadow form while they have shadow form on. Shocker i know. But anyway heres 3 suggestions i have. 1. stop haing cuz it sucks hard and if u want to win just take 3 sins 2 eles and 3 monk backline and just spike whatever whenever. 2. resign... its pretty obvious. 3. run shitty ass skills to counter the build that like 2 people will run. Also how is this even possible? How did they even get to uw anyway.

TheOneMephisto · Jul 11, 2007, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by I Brother Bloood I

Ok, since you're stupid, I'll explain it to you. I have no idea if this is what happens, but it wouldn't surprise me if this is exactly what they do. They cast shadow form while they still have shadow form on. Shocking, I know. But anyway, here are 3 suggestions that I have:

1. Stop HAing because it sucks hard. If you want to win then you should just take 3 sins, 2 eles, and a 3 monk backline and spike whatever, whenever.
2. Resign, it's pretty obvious.
3. Run shitty-ass skills to counter the build that about 2 people will run.

Also, how is this even possible? How did they even get to UW anyway.

Sorry, this just makes my life easier. May not be perfect, but it's a bit easier on the eyes. And many of the skills that were suggested are good skills that would easily fit into most balanced builds. How can you call skills like shock and sig of humility shitty? I'll admit that many of the viable counters are bad, but realistically, you only need one skill that has the ability to counter this and you win. The build is very fragile and can be disrupted by just one interrupt or just a few seconds of vulnerability.

And I'd assume that they used the aforementioned quick-to-die heroes/henchies to get past the Zaishen.

I Brother Bloood I · Jul 11, 2007, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by TheOneMephisto

Sorry, this just makes my life easier. May not be perfect, but it's a bit easier on the eyes. And many of the skills that were suggested are good skills that would easily fit into most balanced builds. How can you call skills like shock and sig of humility shitty? I'll admit that many of the viable counters are bad, but realistically, you only need one skill that has the ability to counter this and you win. The build is very fragile and can be disrupted by just one interrupt or just a few seconds of vulnerability.

And I'd assume that they used the aforementioned quick-to-die heroes/henchies to get past the Zaishen.

Shock isnt bad but it wont really help vs a 1/2 sec cast. Humility might not be bad id have to see if it works only on the original copy.

TheOneMephisto · Jul 11, 2007, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by I Brother Bloood I

Shock isnt bad but it wont really help vs a 1/2 sec cast. Humility might not be bad id have to see if it works only on the original copy.

Then remember recharge times and guess with shock, eventually you're going to get it. You can also do stuff like watch for deadly paradox and stuff. Interrupting arcane echo/mimicry might also give you the opportunity to kill them, especially if you interrupt both in a row.

Seriously, the build is extremely fragile. The only reason it works is because disruptive skills (not spells/attacks) are fairly rare, but just one can put it out of commission.

Phe Belladona · Jul 11, 2007, 04:31 AM // 04:31

Humility blacks out all elites on your bar. huh i thought rending touch would be a skill nvm then, still any signet interupt and humility still win ALSO Shadow Form will be a 1 sec cast cause deadly paradox doesnt shorten cast time and their staffs will only give them a 19% chance of getting a fast cast, so its interuptable with shock or any signet.

dies like fish · Jul 11, 2007, 04:32 AM // 04:32

Do they use any hexes in the build? If so....[skill]Hex Eater Vortex[/skill]

masta_yoda · Jul 11, 2007, 04:56 AM // 04:56

ecountered this on uw, you time your blackouts right b4 they recast shadowform, shock works well once again need to time. they die in two second if you do that right. attempt to body block them if you can, but i remeber they might have like some shadow step skill

gg kthnx

Crazy Kalibanov · Jul 11, 2007, 07:26 AM // 07:26

Thanks for those who've responded to my post. Most of these suggestions won't work.

Yes, they do have Death's Charge and Return so body-blocking is useless.

Since you can't target them with a spell. Suggestions like using shock, blackout, etc. only work if they screw up. Because they keep a constant shadow form chain and you can't target them with anything. Yes, they eventually screw up, but not for quite a while.

Personally I think this kind of crap ruins HA.

Tijger · Jul 11, 2007, 07:45 AM // 07:45

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Originally Posted by Despozblehero

Its nothing a proper skill balance wouldnt fix... oh wait everyone at anets a fotm fame farmer... sorry no balances... but theyll sell you another PvE game.

What kind of BS is that, there are simple counters to their skills, its not in any way overpowered.

milkflopance · Jul 11, 2007, 07:48 AM // 07:48

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Originally Posted by Crazy Kalibanov

Since you can't target them with a spell. Suggestions like using shock, blackout, etc. only work if they screw up. Because they keep a constant shadow form chain and you can't target them with anything. Yes, they eventually screw up, but not for quite a while.

Shock and blackout are standard touch skills, not spells. Meaning they're not stopped by shadow form.

fenix · Jul 11, 2007, 08:09 AM // 08:09

Bah, just use Shock when they do something long and important, and they die.

ZenRgy · Jul 11, 2007, 08:10 AM // 08:10

Frozen burst, lern2bringaPDmes

Div · Jul 11, 2007, 08:35 AM // 08:35

Unless you're playing IWAY or lame trash like ritspike, you should have interrupts. Get a better interrupter or something then. And if you're running IWAY you deserve 30 minute lame matches like that anyways. But fearme should take care of it...

Akaraxle · Jul 11, 2007, 09:59 AM // 09:59

NERF!

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Wakka · Jul 11, 2007, 10:27 AM // 10:27

Why nerf? Chillbains will kill the team never mind one of them.

Divinus Stella · Jul 11, 2007, 10:32 AM // 10:32

Farming builds really do work in HA, when HA was 6v6 i went in with with a Healing Hands W/Mo (Healing Hands, Dolyak Signet, Healing Signet, Watch Yourself, Balthazars Spirit, Endure Pain, Signet of Stamina and Healing Breeze) and a party full of hench, i think i actually bored a couple of nuker teams into resigning, they were all on observer aswel.

If every team was as retarded as the OP then you could setup 55hp bots in HA to farm fame.

urania · Jul 11, 2007, 10:44 AM // 10:44

Sig of mystic wrath spike on them would be so priceless :]

...just a thought, not saying anyone should actually run that gay thing ^^

but yeah, either sig of disench or expunge to remove enchant or leech sig to interrupt the next form should do the trick.

And for the slightly ignorant players out there...deadly paradox assa or mes or necro with dancing daggers+sig of blablablsa build is a standard in RA and often used in TA as well...including 4 A/Me with shadow form. Its nothing new and if u dont whine about TA being ruined by that build dont whine about HA being ruined by it (cause in case you didn't know, HA has already been ruined so u cant really make it an even worse place now, can you? ^^)

Servant of Kali · Jul 11, 2007, 10:58 AM // 10:58

I complained already a lot about Shadow Form (+Paradox +enchant) in RA, but no one cared because it's RA and "there are counters". Yea sure, this is the skill with the LEAST counters in the game!! Think about it, and with Paradox you can keep it up almost constantly.. just for a few sec run around while you have +8 regen and +80 armor. It's LAME.

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Originally Posted by Skuld

They're using the skills ANet has provided, this is not abuse, go look it up.

Oh please, this is no argument for anything! In an extreme way you could say "Ghostly Might is just a skill with an effect ANet has provided" or "There are no overpowered or bad skills because ANet has provided..". *sigh*

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Originally Posted by yesitsrob

Yes, go and run IW just to beat these sins, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing fantastic idea.

lmao, that's exactly what i think about suggestions in this thread.

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Originally Posted by minwanabi

the point remains that there exist a variety of counters, many which fit into the current meta, and many which do not..

A variety of counters? For skill with LEAST counters in the game? WOW!!

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Originally Posted by Phe Belladona

leech signet and rending touch are all common ways to deal with them

Yeah.. you're gonna Leech what exactly? And as someone said for Rending Touch you need to 1) touch 2) it's a spell so... it doesn't do anything, really.

But thanks for giving us common ways to deal with them.

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Originally Posted by Shendaar

I think the whole idea behind Shadow Form is stupid. It's the kind of skill that you cannot do anything about it unless you brought one of the counters. While some are common, being forced to have one of them just in case you run into 2 SF sins is stupid and a design failure.

Exactly, as many have said before. Remember Mark of Protection? In Prophecies? Such a powerful skill has 1 minute recharge, and lasted shorter than Shadow Form, and was worse than Shadow Form, actually, because you could still disenchant it in all possible ways.

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Originally Posted by Baba_Beast

shadow form is an enchantment and you can remove an enchantment.
shadow form take 1 second to cast so you can interrupt.

1) No you cant remove that enchantment because most enchant removals wont work because you either cant hit the target or cant cast a spell. None of the few enchant removals which could remove it are decent in current metagame, and no one runs it, and the only thing they could be remotely useful for are in case you meet SF assassins, which leads yet again to BUILD WARS.

2) You can remove 1/4 spell too. Good luck. It's not that easy to interrupt Shadow Form, and i've played both Mesmer and Ranger interrupter a LOT.

Anyway, yes there are counters. Wow, so did we have counter against Paragon shouts = Vocal Minority and Well of Silence. Oh, and Roaring Winds! Yet somehow people still complained Paragon is too strong, i wonder why.

Seriously, Shadow Form is completely stupid and UNFUN skill to play against.